Frequently Asked Questions

 

              Misc.

Misc. Questions
How much does a "standard" typhoon weigh?
Are your 'guns maintenance hogs?
Loose velocity adjusters.
My Rock was covered with heavy frost.
Indexing an anti-siphon tube.
Do you make a "Classic" Hurricane?
Autococker grips and frames with the Blazer?
Blazer's cold weather performance.
Back Bottle Mounting Instructions
Regulator "Lifetime Warranty"
Stickers,  "How do I get some"
"Glenn, can I have some free stuff?"/ Sponsorship
How long will it take?

How much does a "standard" typhoon weigh?

3.25 pounds


Since you developed the Autococker mechanism, and that is known to be a maintenance-hog, how do your guns (i.e. blazer, typhoon) differ in that they are not maintenance hogs.

I didn't design or develop the AutoCocker. I developed the use of pneumatic automation for paintguns by putting automation to work on my own equipment. On one of my early semis, I used a sliding trigger and mounted the automation components in a group in front of the trigger guard . It was a double barrel, so the reg. was mounted under one barrel and the ram under the other, with the 4-way valve in the center and attached to the front of a slide-trigger frame. Bud Orr was shown the gun and he recognized that my system could be applied to the front of a Sniper thus making it Auto-Cocking. He did his own thing to make it work on his gun.

Pneumatic automation (pneumation) has been around since the days of steam power and has long been recognized as a reliable way to make things move. Most modern, hi-volume - hi-speed manufacturing processes make extensive use of pneumatics that must withstand millions of operating cycles on minimal maintenance. Of course, Paintguns are a tough environment to operate in so I held my design criteria for the components down to an expected lifespan of one million cycles. I still have and frequently use the first one that I ever built (Sept., 1988) and I've not even taken it apart (except to remove the bolt for cleaning) since it was about 3 months old. We estimate that it (Camille) has been fired well over a million times and I'm still waiting for it to fail so I can take it all apart and see how it looks inside. After all these years, I am curious as hell. Unfortunately, I'll probably never get to know how long Camille will hold out as she has been stolen.

"Maintainence" should be routine. (cleaning and lubrication) In all fairness, most "maintainence" " problems" can be avoided by getting it set-up right and leaving it alone. (true for most any paintgun) Something that I have learned over the years it that, "The more that you mess with it, the more you will have to mess with it."


How do you keep the velocity adjusters on cockers from backing out during play?

Permatex - type II - non hardening - works well for a few months at a time. Just a dab on the threads of the adjusting screw will keep it in place and still leave it adjustable. It ia also called Form a Gasket and is available at most auto parts stores. Be sure to get the NON HARDENING type.

Don't bung up the threads on the screw! The part that the screw is in is Aluminum and it's threads will be eaten away completely if the threads on the screw are damaged.

The "COCK_KEY" unit makes adjusting quick and easy but does not lock it down. Use Permatex there also. Works great. We use it on all of our guns.


My Rock was covered with heavy frost and spiting out the pressure relief port. Is this a problem?

That really shouldn't be a problem. The frost on the outside simply indicates that there was alot of liquid getting into the regulator and the process of letting the liquid expand out really cools things down. The venting from the pressure relief was probably only happening when you quit shooting and the highly saturated gas that was downstream from the regulator would start to "warm up" / expand beyond pressures that are safe for the rest of the components in the system. Another condition that would cause the pressure relief to vent in that type of situation would again be the result of the chilling process that generates ice crystals in the gas flow. If the regulator valve gets a chunk of ice caught at the valve seat, it will let enough pressure through to activate the pressure relief. If your unit quit venting when you backed it off,then this later condition is not the case.

In either case, the Rock was doing the job it was designed to do and you could have just ignored the venting and kept on shooting without hurting anything or even wasting much gas. Backing it off slightly and continuing shooting would have allowed the pressure to stabilize and the pressure relief valve to reset fairly quickly. You may have even started out with the pressure set a bit too high.

A proper setting to start with would depend on the pressure/temp. condition of the tank used. The IDEAL starting point is to find the lowest pressure that will cycle the gun fully, then add 1/4 to 1/2 turn to the adjustment. (add 1/4 in cold conditions and 1/2 in warmer weather) Find the lowest operating pressure by backing the reg. off until the gun won't cycle, then adjust it up slowly (1/4 turn or less at a time) until there is just enough pressure to cycle the gun then add the 1/4 or 1/2 turn to the adjusting screw. (note: a few cycles are required between adjustments to get accurate readings especially when lowering the pressure)

Once the Rock is set properly and "settled in", you should be able to just forget about it. The less it is messed with, the more consistent it will be. Minor adjustments of +/- 1/4 turn may be desirable in EXTREME conditions.


What's the best way to index an anti-siphon tube?

Make sure that the tip of the anti-siphon tube is as close to the wall of the tank as possible. Also, it is usually best to crimp the tip of the tube in order to reduce the passage of liquid. Here, we use 1/8" OD copper tubing and crimp down, or flatten, the end of the tubing around a .025 piece of wire (a small paper clip will do). Then pull out the wire to leave a .025 air passage into the tube. You may think .025 is too small to get enough air but I can assure you that it is more than enough and it really helps with consistency. My own gun is fed entirely through a .014 air passage. My first and still my favorite semi (now over six years old) gets it's entire air supply through the air passage in a stock Nelspot piercing pin, .010.


Do you make a "Classic" Hurricane?

We can. But we have discontinued wooden stocked rifles altogether. Right now we have no stocks at all.


I have heard that the grip frame is a standard Autococker frame. Is it possible to use Autococker grips and frames with the Blazer?

Yes, we use WGP aluminum grip frame/trigger housing for the Blazer with contour grips. The grips can be changed easily (some will need to be relieved a bit on the inside of one grip for clearance) but the frame itself is a different story.


Do I need to use a motorized loader with the Blazer, Typhoon, etc.?

I don't use a motor loader myself but most do. The gun can be shot VERY fast without a motor, you might shoot allot of air-only shots when the loader is full. The gun is very smooth operating so you have to shake the loader from time to time to keep paint in the neck between the gun and the loader body. Those 5-6 shots are always positive, after you empty the neck, it's luck if the loader keeps up.


I often play in rather cold weather and will use CO2 with the Blazer. I'd like to know about the Blazer's cold weather performance. Can it handle liquid CO2?

The cold weather limitation on the gun is the expansion rate and pressure of the co2 not the gun. I played in temps down to about -15 C quite a few times last winter and was able to hold useable velocities on gas down to about -2 or -3 C.. Below that I would turn my anti-siphon tank over and run it on full liquid to keep the velocity up. On liquid the only difficulty is seeing the the gas cloud. :) Liquid won't hurt the Blazer at all. However, you may sometime get some temporary, small leaks from ice crystals getting caught in the seals of the automation switching. They go away when the ice melts or gets blown out of the way. The use of full liquid in above freezing condition will cause some eratic behavior in velocity and cycling but nothing harmful to the gun.


Back Bottle Mounting Instructions

Take 3/16" allen wrench and unscrew plug at rear of regulator. (note: be very careful not to lose the valve seal, valve plunger and spring as you take out plug and make sure the inside stays clean.) Install plug into back of ASA adapter to plug off vertical bottle receiver.

Replace plug with 1/8" npt x 10-32 bushing using a 7/16 socket or box end wrench and tighten to snug. Screw hose into bushing and be careful not to tighten to much. Take off back cap, and remove hammer spring and cut 1 1/2 coils off of spring. (note if velocity will not go low enough you might have to cut another coil from spring. Reinstall spring and install back bottle adapter with longer grip screw. Install banjo fitting onto back bottle adapter. Do not over tighten. 


 

Please describe the "Lifetime Warranty" that you have for Palmer regulators.  Do I need to register my Rock with you for warranty services? Also, what do I need to do if I should need repairs on my new Rock regulator.

You don't need a Warranty card.
The Rock/Stabilizer regulator is guaranteed for life (Glenn Palmer's life) against defect in material and/or our workmanship; as long as it is in it's original condition.
Failure due to damage, tampering, misuse or abuse is not covered.

To obtain warranty service for a Rock regulator; return it to us at the address
listed below, along with $7 to cover return shipping.  It will be repaired or
replaced as needed and returned promptly.

Non warrantee repairs average between $10- $15

Canada please include $14 for return shipping.


"Glenn, can I have some free stuff?"/ Sponsorship

Glenn,  i have a 2001 Autococker and want to get some front block upgrades such as your Palmers Rock And Palmers Ram.. but im a a lack of money since im only 15 well almost 16.. i was wondering if you could send me those 2 things for free (dumb question i know dont laugh) but i doubt anyone has ever asked you this before and was wondering if it was possible.. i mean you must sell thousands of these things and giving away 2 shouldnt be too much of a problem.. please email back even if the answer is no i just want to see what you think.      Josh

Hi Josh,

        I am sorry but I can't help you with that.
We have no "free" hardware available and not likely to.
I must admit, I had a good laugh.  I think it comical that folks would
ask for "free" stuff from a manufacturer and offer nothing in return.
There isn't much in life that works that way. By the way, did WGP
give you that 2000 'cocker for free ???   I bet they didn't.
It seems to me that if it needs upgrading, WGP should be the one to ask
for free hardware to finish the gun .
I get dozens of requests like yours regularly although most of them are in the form of asking for a sponsorship and at least offer advertising and promotion in return. But, we don't use sponsorships as a form of advertising so we don't give
sponsorships either.

        I've yet to figure out why it is so common in paintball for people to
even ask for, let alone expect to be given merchandise or financial assistance
in order to pursue a recreational activity.  I tried your approach with a local electronics dealer on a floppy drive for my computer.  It was only a $30 item and they had hundreds of them in stock.  Needless to say, I got laughed out of the store. I wonder why ?

Yes, it is true that we sell thousands of our pneumatic components
but we also have the expenses of:  materials, manufacturing the components,
the building and the equipment to build them in and with, plus packaging and
handling.  Then consider the taxes that have to be paid and the time (which is
sometimes years) in the design and development of the products to be sold.
Then too, I'm sure you would want the products guaranteed to work and there are expenses there too.  Especially since I guarantee some of our products for life; My life.

What it boils down to is; if we don't make some gross profit on every item
that goes out the door, we couldn't stay in business very long.

                "A sale without profit is like a donation with risk."
 

Glenn Palmer

We do offer a 10% team discount (quantities of 5 or more)


Stickers,  "How do I get some"

Just send us a self-addressed envelope with postage paid  to:

Stickers 
3951 Development Dr. #3
Sacramento, CA 95838

 


 

How long will it take?

 

 

Unfortunately we cannot guarantee a specific time or date that some modifications may take. Palmers Pursuit Shop cannot control some aspects of such modifications. Foregoing plating options will significantly reduce the waiting time. Palmers will try to give an educated guess as to when the mods may be completed and nothing more.  The guess may even be off by 3 weeks. No one wants you to have your equipment in a timely manner more than we do.  Please be patient as custom orders may take a little longer than expected.

 

Palmer's Pursuit Shop 3951 Development Dr. #3
Sacramento, CA 95838
PH. (916) 923-9676
FAX (916) 923-9674
Glenn Palmer.

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